UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE: PACIFISTS PROTECT POLICE STATION IN ISTANBUL

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June 16, 2013 · 1:16 pm

28 responses to “UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE: PACIFISTS PROTECT POLICE STATION IN ISTANBUL

  1. Sorry, but how many have the Turkish cops killed already? and now they’re using serious chemical skin irritants that causes massive swelling in their TOMA water-cannons, while at the same time going after the medics who are supporting the occupation. Sure, protect the murderous cunts as if they’re all defenceless. Middle classes in action again protecting those who protect their own interests…

    • Forgot to add-
      ‘According to an activist in Cihangir featured on Occupy Wall Street, “the only way to stop a TOMA is to throw paint on its window so that the vehicle loses orientation … To paralyze it, you either have to put a wet towel in its exhaust pipe or burn something under its engine or you and a dozen others can push it over. This kind of battle-info is circulating all over Turkey at the moment.”
      …and the world.

  2. not ghandi

    Pacifism is a disease that spreads, protecting the state wherever it goes, whether it intends to or not.

    • blz

      “pacifism is a disease”… what if your mother heard you say that

    • Gud

      pacifism is the only way the world can become better, violence only brings violence. that doesn’t mean you can’t protest, that only means you have to do it without hurting people. these pacifists are doing a good deed, thing is, they should also protect the protesters from the police. We, pacifists, have that role, protect everyone, because we are all equal, but we have to be courageous enough to stand against the powerful as well.

    • Nick W.

      Before you go trashing pacifists (amongst which I do not necessarily count myself), ask yourself: how many violent revolutionary actions have brought real, lasting, significant changes for the better…? Seriously. Because, if you’re honest with yourself, you will know that violence only begets more violence.

      • Anonymous

        ‘Violence only begets more violence’

        Clearly this photo proves that particular mantra wrong.

      • Keith

        I’m all for violence if it’s at the service of defence or proactively preventing authoritarian violence, & I can understand futile expressions or revenges if they result from the pent up frustration of being oppressed, but most struggle is day by day non-violent. Some non-violent struggle by radical pacifists can be beneficient.

      • b

        Another thing wrong with this biblically-flavoured mantra (“begets”) is its implication that ‘we’ mustn’t start the violence. But we can’t. We live under violence.

      • Voidkom

        What the fuck are you talking about, every revolution in history was violent.

      • Anonymous

        Cuba!!! The problems they now have stem from a blockade lasting over 50 years.

      • So very amusing to hear the pure bourgeois garbage that “all violence does is replace one bad regime with another” or that “violence leads to more violence”. That is the mainstay of the capitalist establishment – it tells the masses, “stay in your places, you peasants! If you fight back you’ll get even worse taking our places!”

        There are so many examples of using violence to lead to a reduction/destruction of the violence inflicted on the masses by the ruling classes (or an invasion force of imperialism), it’s hard to know where to begin. One could mention Angola, Zimbabwe, S. Africa, Brazil, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, USSR, or China – to name a few.

      • Luther Blisset

        “Pure bourgeois.” Hmm, bit like shouting “fascist” or “nazi” at someone really. Its an attempt to stifle debate through “petty bourgeois” name calling and one upmanship.

        Interesting you don’t mention Sri Lanka, Colombia or Cambodia.

        As for Zimbabwe – You’re avin a laugh mate. How many workers and Trades Unionists have been killed or maimed by Mugabe’s street thugs?

        The ANC was largely a peaceful resistance movement, despite what Maggie might have told you.

        Hopefully we can agree that it is the capitalist system that is the mainstay of ‘violence’ against working people, as exemplified in the (former) USSR and China “to name a few.”

    • Witch Mom

      Agreed. People who naively think that the state will “give them” their rights and change their mind are fools.

      • Looser Blissett

        Voidkom,

        “Every revolution in history was violent” and mostly led to the replacement of one repressive state regime with another. Year Zero and all that.

        And how many times have the actions and organisation of ‘anarchists’ and other militants provided a kind of smokescreen whilst Bolsheviks or other ‘middle class in waiting’ types take control?

        Yeah – Anarchists – first to put themselves in the fray with the oppressors, first to be locked up or executed when the new regime takes over and nullifies any ‘class’ gains made.

        Amen

  3. de-monopolise state violence

    i remember hearing about all those brave pacifists that joined hands and stood in front of the nazis during world war 2 and stopped the war………. said no one ever.

  4. David

    I’m not a pacifist, but I see nothing wrong with pacifism; it’s a set of tactics as much as an ideology, and it can be an extremely effective set of tactics. What is wrong is using pacifist tactics to defend the oppressor from the oppressed.

    • While embracing a diversity of tactics is important, taking action that protects the state perpetuates their violence. Look at the way they’re standing — turned outward, facing down the other people. There, in that moment, these pacifists are protecting the oppressors who murder and violate their own kind on a daily basis.

      What about blocking police drive ways and garages? What about linking arms and standing against lines of police? There are many other ways to apply human blockades.

  5. Alex G

    Everything is fucking wrong with protecting the oppressed from the oppressor…you may as well become a fucking informant…I think you guys call it a grass.

  6. A.C.A.B.

    They might call themselves “pacifists”, hide behind meaningless arguments and labels… but as far as i am concerned, they are pure and unadulterated assholes.

  7. AL

    whats revolutionary about smashing a bank? whats strategic about it? Especially when you have 50,000+ people on the streets in confrontation with the state? I guess this maybe less about pacifism, and more about tactics.

    • Yep, alot of direct action and protest has taken on aspects of spectacular, isolated, and ritualised, symbolism, not changing social relations one iota, nor moving towards changing them, by not even functioning as an effective form a propaganda…

      • AL

        property destruction was only a useful tactic on protests, counter summits, and even then it became ritualistic like you say, to the point that the cops used property destruction as a means to trigger repression ( note – I do not mean that is the only reason cops attack, but when attacks on property happen, the cops come in, so I would say that it becomes a strategic trigger point for public order ). In this case, if the main aim was to build barricades, and attack the police lines, then it makes sense that property destruction is just mere symbolising after the point has been made.

  8. ok, as a person who took part actively at the protests in istanbul, I can say pacife resistance was our only chance most of the time… think about, first day we answered their violence, second day we kicked their asses, and after taking the park, because we were defending all we could do the police was not to leave our ground, what else could we do? they used 10million euros worth of tear gas bombs on us, we could possibly even had as many stones as their shells… you cant win a war with the goverment, we are not army like that… all we had was eachother and our numbers.. i am not a pasifist, but most of the time at most of the clashes, also with the given crowd, all we could do was just wait and not get hit… plus, they put enough distance most of the time, distant enough to fire at us but also distant enough not be hit by anything thrown bare hand? what do u want us to do? use guns and turn our country into a Syria? we dont want the supporters of PM to die, or even cops to die ( i personally do), we want him to acknowledge us and our demands and rights

  9. violent or no violent tactically is one thing but pacifism as a principle is stupid and irresponsible, oppression, capitalism is a form of violence itself to stand in the way of any uprising against it is simply siding with the systematic violence of oppression against it’s violent overthrow, if these ‘pacifist’ can’t see that it’s pathetic and also they might not be pacifist as much as just scared or unwilling to sacrifice for anything

  10. :)

    HOW TO STOP TOMA, all you need is a pair of heavy duty wire cutters or a small pair of bolt cutter, pick a TOMA that is stationary at the moment, go underneath it by the rear wheels, locate the brake line for the rear brakes and cut it, as soon at you see fluid leaking out you are done! you dont need to cut it completely, only enough to create a leak to loose hydraulic pressure, also you would only have cut ONE line to affect the whole system, this will make the TOMA impossible to operate

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